Chairman of BMC Executive Board Ethem SANCAK: ‘‘The Two Wings of the Asian Eagle, Turkey and China’’

Chairman of BMC Executive Board Ethem SANCAK

‘‘The Two Wings of the Asian Eagle, Turkey and China’’ *

Mr. Sancak graduated from Istanbul University, the Faculty of Business in 1976. He worked as a journalist between 1976 and 1978. He served as the representative for the southeastern and eastern regions of the Workers’ and Peasants’ Party of Turkey and also the Diyarbakır Province Head of the Party. He later ventured into the business world and founded Es Pharmaceutical Warehouse in 1978 and Esko Perfumery in 1989, Hedef Pharmaceutical Warehouse in 1993 and later bought BMC, a manufacturer of truck, bus and military vehicle. He was selected “Business Manager of the Year” in 2001 and “Entrepreneur of the Year” in 2005. He was granted an award of “National Sovereignty Outstanding Service and Honor Award” by the Grand National Assembly of Turkey. He served the Chairman of the Pharmaceutical Wholesalers Association of Turkey between 2004 and 2010. He is currently the Vice Chairman of Istanbul Museum of Modern Art, member of the Board of Directors of Istanbul Foundation for Culture and Art, member of the Advisory Board of Okan University.

* Translated by Arda Tunçel

“BRIQ will play a really important role in terms of not merely being a local initiative, but also being a medium where actors of the new world can have a voice, and in terms of preparing the ground for the new world powers to develop themselves through mutual discussion. Of course, it was not with this virus that imperialism began to collapse and new centers of civilization emerged in Asia. These were already in progress. In a sense, the virus was a blessing from Allah, which hastened its emergence. In other words, the USA's massive capitalist system based on looting would collapse anyway. We saw the clues in the 2008 crisis. This crisis was as devastating as the 1929 crisis. Because the forces against the USA were not organized, because there was a lack of communication between them, because of the Western-induced contradictions that divided them and antagonized one another they could not form a union of forces, and capitalism was perceived to be restoring itself. But within capitalism these fires were going on. The wheel was broken once. Now, this virus has accelerated it.”

Ethem Sancak (Chairman of BMC Executive Board), answers the questions of Adnan Akfırat, Chairman of the Board of BRIQ.

Adnan Akfırat: Mr. Ethem Sancak, you First, there was the word. Humanity began

are one of the most important businessper- with a word. If there is no word, development

sons of Turkey and you possess an intellectual does not occur rationally; otherwise, development

background and depth. We thought that it is does not result in an efficient manner. So, saying

the word is the beginning of everything. The new important to talk with you as a member of our world needs words, too. The word is the greatest journal's Advisory Board about the “post-Corocharacteristic of people. It is a result. What distin-

navirus world”. Therefore, we would like to guishes humans from other creatures is their ability

know more about your views. Today, many ob- to think, their ability to reason. Indeed, in our holy

servers anticipate an economic crisis that may book, The Qur’an, Allah makes us understand:

be more destructive than the Great Depres- “Use your intellect and speak your words.”

sion of 1929. How do you see the situation in Therefore, the BRIQ journal embarked on

June 2020? What future awaits Turkey and the its publishing journey by dealing with a very im-

world? portant problem. And I am very happy to be a

part of it. Besides, this journal will play a really

Ethem Sancak: First of all, thank you for important role in terms of not merely being a

giving me this opportunity. I congratulate your local initiative, but also being a medium where

journal. BRIQ has become a publication that I actors of the new world (China, Russia, Brazil,

welcome with excitement and joy. As the world Indonesia, Venezuela, etc.) can have a voice, and

of the future is taking shape, there is a growing in terms of preparing the ground for the new

need to look for new sideways to instill the thou- world powers to develop themselves through

ght that will lead this formation. mutual discussion.

A Lot to Say for the New World there is that people in these geographies adopted

systems of thought that glorify the human; they The virus revealed that lots of words are to be are based on the human. Look, in Confucius, the said for the new world. This is needed now. In most sacred being is the human. It is the same our faith, the source of knowledge and the gate with Buddha and Prophet Ali. So is with Prophet of custody is Hz. Ali. Our prophet says, “If I am Muhammad. They are based on humans. the city of knowledge, Ali is my door." Therefore, all faiths and sects in our belief system see Ali

and Ali's children as the source of knowledge. “He is the animal that produces and

“The reward (sevap) of one hour of contempla- consumes more than he produces.

tion is equal to the reward of 70 years of prayer,” Man is a wolf to man.” They

Ali said once. Tefekkür (Contemplation) is an brought a system that monopolizes

Arabic word, as you may know. It means gener- over worldly pleasures and

ating thoughts. They ask, what is this contempla- produces selfishness from it. That's

capitalism. tion? He says, it is looking for answers to who I am, where I came from, where I am going. This What does this mean? To be at peace with is exactly where we are now. You need to turn the earth, to be sincere and to love all living to yourself and ask these questions. This natural things... you know how they say, “we love the

disaster was instrumental in seeking answers to created, because of the creator.” It exists in all the

these questions. basic ideas and Eastern philosophy. These are

the hallmarks of all great powers and great peo- The East Is the Source of the Word ple who advance humanity. To devote himself to and the Human Thought nature and the person next to him, to work for

Humanity's rise and intellectual journey began his happiness and to enjoy it, to love the person.

in the east. Ancient Indian civilization centered

in the Hindu Valley and the system of thought Capitalism: Anti-Civilization

that rose above it and came up to Buddha; an- As humanity advances like this, an “anti” rises

cient Chinese civilization, the great civilization from the West: capitalism. This is the opposite of

that started with Zen and continued with Con- the system of thought we are talking about. The

fucius; the great civilization of the Middle East ideologues of capitalism are based on the idea

and monotheistic religions; they all appeared in that man adores himself and further humiliates

this medium. The thought begins therein and man. These ideologues describe the man as: he

spreads throughout the world. is the animal that produces and consumes more

These geographies share several characteris- than he produces. Man is a wolf to man, they say.

tics. They carry the human civilization. If we start They brought a system that monopolizes over

the history of civilization with writing, even be- worldly pleasures and produces selfishness from

fore, and if we leave out the last 500 years from it. That's capitalism. Since its advent, humanity

almost 25 thousand years of human history, civili- has never seen both ends meet. The Western sys-

zation has always developed in these geographies. tem, centered on Western-centrism, created a

The reason they can carry vibrant civilizations welfare society only for the West; it built slaugh-

terhouses, and accumulated enormous wealth. That's how this wheel has been spinning for 500

But 80 percent of humanity was sentenced to years. Of course, these 500 years are full of glori-

hunger and misery, plundered. During the birth ous victories of the resistance against this wheel.

of capitalism, 100 million African people were en- A lot of heroes came out like Mustafa Kemal,

slaved and sold to the New Earth as commodities: Mao, Sun Yat-sen, Gandhi, Nehru, Patrick Lu-

forced to work on agricultural plantations, be- mumba, Che Guevara.

coming a means of production for exploitation...

This system captured almost two third of The Grave Diggers of Capitalism:

the world, with the powers it obtained by plun- All Humanity

dering the world. In response, Chinese, Indian, Over these 500 years, the system, the enemy

and Islamic civilizations resisted. The native of humanity born in the West, began to crack.

Americans, the Aztecs, the Incas resisted. But When Marx said, “capitalism produces its grave

they were enslaved by the wheel of history, the diggers,” he didn't mean just the proletariat

great powers the system generated and the bru- working in the factory. We perceived that way

tality devices these powers eventually produced. for a time. He actually meant all humanity. With

the digital revolution that we have seen recently, Humanity Has Seen Many Pandemics

there are possibilities that may benefit humani- Adnan Akfırat: Is it the collapse of capitalty: communication, being able to communicate, ism or imperialism? being able to see everything immediately, that is

what drives these “gravediggers.” Now people re- Ethem Sancak: Capitalism has already lost

alize that they are deceived by the grave digger its progressive character since the crisis of 1929.

created by this capitalism much more quickly. Capitalism had relatively progressive sides against

Of course, it was not with this virus that im- feudalism and slavery, and it also advanced soci-

perialism began to collapse and new centers of eties in the direction of the development of pro-

civilization emerged in Asia. These were already ductive forces. But especially after 1929, it lost its

in progress. In a sense, the virus was a blessing progressive character and went into its special

from Allah, which hastened its emergence. In phase, imperialism as Lenin called it, leaving no

other words, the USA's massive capitalist sys- progressive side. It generated a predatory, imperi-

tem based on looting would collapse anyway. alist ideology. It became reactionary with its ide-

We saw the clues in the 2008 crisis. This crisis ology, art, and all its aspects. Because, after all, its

was as devastating as the 1929 crisis. But because fiction is based on the plundering of the majority

the forces against the USA were not organized, of humanity. So, when we say capitalism here, we

because there was a lack of communication be- don't imply the period in history when it is pro-

tween them, because of the Western-induced gressive. We imply the imperialism phase, and

contradictions that divided them and antago- this system was rotten; it has always been destined

nized one another they could not form a union to collapse. This virus will speed it up.

of forces, and capitalism was perceived to be re- Now, I am very opposed to the concepts that

storing itself. But within capitalism, these fires scare humanity with this virus. Disaster is com-

were already going on. The wheel was broken ing; we're all dead, we're done for good: there is

once. Now, this virus has accelerated it. no such thing. Humanity has seen many pan-

Now look, our Eastern Thought System, demics. The black plague came and destroyed one

which scholars call dialectics and attribute it to Marx and Engels: this dialectical thought system actually goes long way back. Division of 1 into 2, carrying the opposite of everything in it... that's in Chinese philosophy. Good and evil are side by side. Yin Yang... even in Chinese language, crisis and opportunity are expressed in the same way. Looking at Indian civilization again, there are rival Gods, Lord Shiva and Brahma, forces of good and evil. In Islam, it is said, “there is a good in every evil and a bad in every good.” This virus may be a disaster, but it carries such good in it. This will be revealed now, the collapse of capitalism will accelerate.

third of humanity. There are many pandemics, become enemies against Lincoln, Thomas Jef-

and humanity has overcome and outlived all ferson? These were the heroes of humanity. How

of them. Why hasn't humanity been effective can we get angry at George Washington, who

against these outbreaks in the past 100 years? beat British imperialism? They were our allies

Because capitalism has antagonized hu- in history.

manity with nature and hindered the develop- “Today, 80 percent of the West's wealth is

ment of the immune system. It prevented the de- in the hands of 10 percent of its population,”

velopment of the immune system with the foods the statisticians say. The 100 richest, on the oth-

it produced, with fake foods, GMOs, etc., with er hand, hold 70% of humanity's wealth. They

the poisoned soil and nature destroyed. Now it is are our enemies. I mean, the forces that steal

going back to its essence. Look, as a result of the and plunder the labor of humanity, and use it

pandemic, the black hole in the atmosphere has against humanity.

gone. The poles are being cleaned; the climate is

getting better; the seas, nature, and air are being Xi Jinping Turns to Mao’s Policies

cleaned. Very nice things will come out of this Adnan Akfırat: How do you evaluate Chi-

trouble. Humanity will learn very good lessons. na’s position here?

You see: prostitution is gone, gambling is gone, Ethem Sancak: China stood up. China left alcoholism is gone. Deng's policy of subserviency to capitalism. The collapsing Western powers will try to They returned to Mao's politics under Xi Jinconceal the problem by blaming the emerging ping's leadership. "I will turn China into a counpowers China, Turkey, Iran, Russia, allegedtry with a social system dominated by moderate ly covering up the problem. I'm very hopeful, prosperity," he says. Beneath all China's current though. This coronavirus crisis will lead to a efforts resides this nationalist thought. It is not a faster birth of a whole new world. Maybe that's nihilistic nationalist view. China says it can form why we'll love Corona in the future. fraternal alliances with other nations similar to itself. This is very important. China was born as Adnan Akfırat: (The virus) does its duty in a rival to the United States in the world's producthe unity of the opposites... tion and revenue. And now Xi Jinping says, I am

Ethem Sancak: Of course, a lot of people ready to share it with humanity. Some say China

died. These were painful from an emotional defends globalism, America has turned to na-

point of view. Over a hundred thousand people tionalism. This is an illusion. America is trying

died. Humans are brothers and sisters in our to save itself, to recover its economy. China says

philosophy. We do not discriminate. When we your globalism is about plundering others, mine

say the capitalist system, we do not mean the is about developing together by establishing an

600 million people already living under capital- equal and fraternal relationship. What is China

ism. Almost 550 million of them are our broth- doing? It is trying to develop African countries.

ers and allies. We cannot become enemies with The Americans were going to Africa to plunder

our American brothers who have experienced their mines, their wealth, to buy their people

the civil war and removed slavery. How do we and sell them as slaves. How is China going to

Africa? China is going to support national de- doing in Brazil's Amazons? How did it get there

velopment. It does not strangle those countries so fast? In the process, this will come out. In the

with financial games. China says, let's produce end, humanity, with the technology it produces,

together, let's win together. This philosophy de- will reveal where this virus originated, and if it is

fines the globalization of China. man-made, by whom it was produced.

Why is it called China-virus or Wuhan-vi-

Only China and Turkey Have Succeeded rus? Since China is an organized society, they

Adnan Akfırat: Observing the beginning were the first to notice it. They also raised the

of the pandemic in China, TÜSİAD and MÜ- first alarm in the world. They said: "There is a

SİAD [Turkey’s business associations] claimed virus; it kills people and we took measures; you

that Asian economies will be weakened and should take your own measures, too." Therefore,

collapse, that these economies cannot resist they neutralized the virus in a short time, be-

the economic crisis, and that the West has re- cause they took precautionary, measures quick-

covered itself, and that Turkey should grow by ly. Even South Korea and Singapore were affect-

improving relations with the West economical- ed and took precautions because it was close to

ly. How do you assess these predictions? You are China in terms of natural geography. So, Asia

the former director of TÜSİAD; you know those has taken measures earlier, as it possesses a more

circles... organized force. Asiatic Turkey, which gradually

Ethem Sancak: The fact that this pandemic assumed its own identity and spirit, also has seen

began in China is an illusion. We don't know it. this earlier and taken measures earlier than all

Several scientific circles are conducting investi- the Western societies. So, today the two coun-

gations and are finding that the first case began tries are victorious in the battle against the virus

in France in December. There is also another are China and Turkey.

report that traces the origin of the virus to Ca- The two powers of the new world, organ-

nada. Where did the rumours that the virus star- ized and fit, displayed exemplary attitudes and

ted in China first come from? Chinese society is examples of humanity in this regard. They pro-

so organized thanks to its system that it quickly tected their people and others. Famous director

noticed the virus. Maybe at the time, this virus Francis Ford Coppola says, “the strategy of the

was already traveling throughout America, Italy, war against the virus exists in the most impor-

and France. Even if it started in China, what's it tant Surah of the Qur'an for Muslims.” He means

Fatiha. He says: the compassionate and the merciful. He says that if we know the Rahman (the

"Asia has taken appropriate compassionate) and Rahim (the merciful), we

measures earlier, as it possesses will overcome it. It expresses love and compasa more organized force. Asiatic sion. Where did this come from? It appeared Turkey, which gradually assumed

its own identity and spirit, has also in China and Turkey. Has it ever happened in

seen this earlier and taken measures America, in the country of that fascist-headed

earlier than all the Western President of Brazil, or Germany? Germany de-

societies.” fended itself, but didn't help anyone else.

Adnan Akfırat: Do you say that the “strat- In our faith, a saying goes: A Muslim doesn't

egy of closing the doors” stems from capitalist go through the hole he went through once. There

morality? is no longer a Turkish leadership that has sold its

Ethem Sancak: Yes. They just shut their soul to the West. The national forces have seen

doors. The European Union, the European this: we will not look back on these Western

Brotherhood, the European way of life and cul- looters who have deceived us, no matter what

ture, they threw it all away. Germany took the carrots they give us. No more looting like that:

lead. Suddenly, seeing the danger, Germany said, Turkey will return, take the carrot that the Unit-

I should protect my own Germans, I don't care ed States, France, whatever else extends, and be

about the Italians, the Spaniards. With a very enslaved again. Because we've tried these before.

selfish approach, of course. Because there is self- Even in the pandemic, when people are

ishness in their basic thinking systems and their fearing for their lives, the American government

nature. They're so alienated. The selfishness, ego- is sending huge amounts of aid to the PYD,

centrism, and capitalist looting have reached their which it has created to divide Turkey. Again, the

climax. The capitalist Western system, represent- USA does not stand idle about building the ter-

ing a total of 1 billion people, was standing by, rorist state that will protect and save Israel. They

plundering 6-7 billion people. Now those people are making moves in the Eastern Mediterranean.

stand up. South America, Asia, China, Iran, Tur- They are not giving up on their nature. There is

key are no longer accepting this situation. no government in Turkey that will eat these car-

rots stupidly anymore. TÜSIAD's Opinion Is Nonsense We Return to National Production Adnan Akfırat: What does TÜSİAD say

about COVID-19? Is a national attitude devel- Adnan Akfırat: Is a national attitude de-

oping in the economy? veloping in the economy?

Ethem Sancak: TÜSİAD's view, ‘‘the West Ethem Sancak: Of course! Look, July 15

will develop, not Asia ", is complete nonsense. was a critical battle. On July 15, the Republic of

Because the way to triumph in this business is Turkey cleared its bowels. Turkey took huge steps

(the same as in the economy, war, social rela- toward becoming a national state. Turkey cap-

tions): The more prepared you are and the better tured this national spirit with its army, its state,

your morale, the faster you will overcome the its police, its political parties, and its people . This

crisis. Westerners are down in morale, they're was what we have long been dreaming of.

actually not prepared; they're bewildered by The Republic of Turkey now says, “Look,

what they're going to do; they have fallen out brother, I cannot reset my customs barriers in

with each other. On the other hand, countries front of the World Trade Organization and Eu-

such as Turkey, Iran, Russia, and China detect- ropean Union”. Turkey puts 30% customs again.

ed the real problem and have taken appropriate And Turkey also says, if you produce something

measures. These countries were more prepared that substitutes for imported products, all the

to take advantage of this situation in economic resources of the state are at your disposal. Three

construction and development. public banks have announced the largest loan

agreement in history. This is based on the idea of and Turkey, the western wing of Asia, the land of

supporting national production. This is a terrif- Mustafa Kemal, to act. Turkey will be prepared

ic event. This is a serious development. What we quickly, and if these two complementary forces can

haven't been able to do for 80 years, what Musta- clap their wings in harmony, other forces will join

fa Kemal tried to do, what national leaders tried in. The Asian Eagle takes off and will defeat Amer-

to do from time to time, and what Demirel tried ica's vultures. That’s the gist of it. This is going to

to do, is to return to national production, which happen. That's the way history goes. Because hu-

was always interrupted by coups, and today the manity has always moved forward. Republic of Turkey, which cleanses from within those who have sold their souls, is doing so.

We Must Unite With the New World Adnan Akfırat: What do you think Turkey needs to do first in the face of changing world balances? Ethem Sancak: What Turkey is going to do now is to build alliances with the actors of the new world very quickly. The Republic of Turkey should form alliances with China, Russia, Iran, Indonesia, India, Korea, North Korea, Maduro, Argentina, alliances with the oppressed, like Mustafa Kemal envisioned at the beginning of the 20th Century, as the representative of the oppressed nations. Forming such alliances, Turkey has a great future ahead of it. As such, Turkey can become one of the top 5-6 countries that will

shape the world. So I'm very optimistic. First of all, I am

optimistic about the development of humanity. Secondly, capitalism is in the throes of death. I “If Turkey and China can clap their look optimistic to the end of imperialism, which wings in harmony, other powers

will join in. The Asian Eagle takes is nearby. This will pave the way for the new

off and will defeat America’s world to make an alliance that will bring this

vultures”. end. The least damaged by this virus is Asia. Chi-

na has recovered. Even Iran has recovered. Even

To defeat America’s imperialist vultures, the though it looks like the most unrecoverable due

Asian eagle must take off. China, the eastern wing to America's pressure and embargo. This was

of the Asian Eagle, is very prepared. It is ready with challenging for Iran, because America has flown

its new system, which comes from its traditional at it. The USA was trying to overthrow the resist-

system of thinking. Now it is time for Anatolia ing Persian bravery. Thanks to God, the Iranians

have also surpassed the threat. Turkey has, too. What Measures Has BMC Taken?

And Russia is in the recovery process and it will Adnan Akfırat: How has this pandemic af-

succeed. China is already helping; we will help fected BMC?

too. China will also help us by sending tourists. Ethem Sancak: Since we are a defense in-

Our Tourism Will Develop dustry company, we said we will not put any of

our employees on the street at the beginning of

Adnan Akfırat: We have many reasons to the process. We promised that we're not going

look at the developments with optimism and hope. to put any of them in danger on job or health

Ethem Sancak: Yes. For example, I think matters. We also have to continue producing.

we will be the heart of world tourism in the next Because we're a defense industry company. We

3-4 months because of the reputation and climate serve the purpose of the Turkish Armed Forc-

that we have created during the pandemic. Think es. Maybe there is a pandemic, but our enemies

of yourself as a German, French, Swedish, British, other than the pandemic do not sleep. We have

Russian citizen. You want to go on vacation. Which to continue our production. We have taken the

is the safest country in the region? Of course, Tur- necessary measures and continued working. We

key. Its nature is most appropriate; Turkey has the didn't put even one employee at the door. We

longest tourism season. In other words, we will had some workers who got virus treatment and

double the 50 million tourists we received last year we have helped them (even their relatives who

only in 4 months. Because they have nowhere else were infected) by paying for the health expens-

to go. Perhaps some would ban their own citizens es. Thank God, we didn't suffer any casualties.

from going to Turkey because of their hostility to- Over 4 thousand employees have never had even

ward Turkey. But how long will they be able to ban a nosebleed. We have no casualties. We did not

it? Germany has said to its citizens that you can go underpay anyone's salary. We've cut the board's

here and there but do not go to Turkey. Will the salaries by 20%, but we haven't cut anyone's sal-

German citizen go to Spain, Italy, Greece, to the ary below our board. We have completed the re-

heart of the danger? Or are they going to Turkey? maining amount of what the government gave

They will come to Turkey. In other words, German us, and we have not left our employees without a

citizens cannot give up Alanya, Russian citizens job. We kept them healthy.

cannot give up Antalya, British citizens cannot give Our Lives Are No More Precious up Bodrum and Fethiye. Tourism is an important Than the Lives of Our Soldiers sector of our economy. I think our tourism will re-

vive tremendously. Adnan Akfırat: How do you manage the

Taking advantage of this pandemic, Tur- administrative affairs of your offices?

key provides great agricultural support in food Ethem Sancak: Fewer people came to the of-

production, too. We will become an agricultur- fices. But we continued working from home. Our

al powerhouse. Our machinery and equipment hot production employees, the people at the work-

industry will be supported. There is a national bench, took the necessary precautions and worked.

movement and therefore I am very optimistic. Our union is the Turkish Metal Union. A nation-

The future is ours. al union, we cooperated with them very well.

tion.” I said: “Commander, our lives are no more Our chief of General Staff called me precious than the soldiers in operation Peace and said, “Ethem, look, the water Spring”. Our soldiers are on duty there, and we sleeps, but the enemy doesn't sleep.

Do not interrupt production.” I will produce here. This is our role. This is a na-

said: “Commander, our lives are no tional cause; there is also to die for this cause.

more precious than the soldiers in While our young people, who are 22-23 years

operation Peace Spring” old, are resisting in Euphrates Shield, in Mavi

Vatan (The Blue Homeland) and Libya, can we

The President of the Turkish Metal Union has say that we have a pandemic and let's not get an-

been a worker of BMC for 25 years. We joined ything produced?

hands with the Union, and together in these We keep up with this understanding. Every-

three months we carried out serious produc- one is satisfied with BMC. We are happy, too. Our

tion. In the second week since the pandemic production continues. Our national engine works,

began, our chief of General staff called me and tank works, gun works continue. We did not take

said, “Ethem, look, the water sleeps, but the any break. It goes as we planned. We said to the

enemy doesn't sleep. Do not interrupt produc- employees that we do not want the expected 20%

profit as patronage for 3 months. Let our cash Last week, I told our staff by teleconference:

flow run smoothly, let our employees receive their I want your family to attend the conference from

salaries, make production, take our raw materials, your location. Almost everyone virtually attend-

and protect our suppliers. We do not want profit. ed. Every employee of BMC sees BMC as his or

We removed 20% profit in the budget we put at her own, not only Ethem Sancak’s. This is a na-

the beginning of this year. We already have a contional company, and I'm a partner here. It's the tract with the employees as follows: We will now truth. It's going so well, and it's going to get even account for all of what BMC produces as value. I better. Because we have stepped into internagather our employees together and account every tional marketing, too. six months. And I say to them that one-third of Our products are also needed for friendly the produced profit is your right before your sweat

dries, it will be given to you; one-third is the right countries that fight against the looting of im-

of our state, we will pay as tax; we said one third is perialism. I'm going to Libya next week. I will

the right of the business owner. We are also work- identify the needs of the Libyan government,

ingwith our union, trying a new system. No mat- from there I will move to Algeria, Tunisia, from

ter what profit you make, there is no such thing as there to Somalia, from there to Kyrgyzstan and

you keep all profit for yourself. Whatever profit is Uzbekistan. I'm waiting for flights to resume.

made, premiums etc. come accordingly. Our em- Our relations with Azerbaijan and Pakistan are

ployees are also very satisfied. already working. Then we'll go with you to Chi-

na. You know, last time we had more of a dip-

“We will now account for all of lomatic trip. Now we go for BMC. We'll talk to

what BMC produces as value. I them about what we can do together.

gather our employees together and account every six months. And

I say to them that one-third of the Adnan Akfırat: On behalf of BRIQ, thank

produced profit is your right before you very much. It was a very fascinating, en-

your sweat dries” lightening, beautiful interview.